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Equities in a Rising Rate Environment:
A Roundtable Discussion
DECEMBER 2015
Introduction – Michael Reilly
Michael P. Reilly, CFA
CIO – Equities
Director of Equity Research
Craig C. Blum, CFA
Portfolio Manager
Concentrated Core
Iman H. Brivanlou, PhD
Portfolio Manager
High Income Equities
Diane E.
Jaffee, CFA
Portfolio Manager
Relative Value Group
Chang Lee
Portfolio Manager
Small & Mid Cap Growth
Tom McKissick
Portfolio Manager
Large Cap Value
N. John Snider
Portfolio Manager
Large Cap Value
With the Fed’s first interest rate hike now a fait accompli, conventional wisdom
would suggest that equity prices should struggle as upward pressure on interest
rates translates into higher discount rates. Yet historical precedent would argue that
both inflation expectations and the absolute level of interest rates, coupled with the
prospects for corporate earnings growth, are key determinants of the resulting trajectory
of stock prices.
In the present macroeconomic context, inflation expectations appear
well-anchored, particularly in light of the slower global growth environment, and the
primary objective of the Fed’s rate hike appears to be the normalization of monetary
policy following the extraordinary accommodation of the past seven years. Barring a
policy “mistake” whereby the Fed’s decision to boost rates tips a fragile economy into
recession, a U.S. economy that grows at least 2-2.5% per annum – as has generally
been the case since the Great Recession – should prove a sufficient macro backdrop for
U.S.
companies to generate mid-to-high single digit earnings growth (excluding the now
volatile energy sector). Naturally, a more severe slowdown in China and the emerging
markets economies remain potential risks, but U.S. stocks can remain resilient and
even thrive to the extent which the price distortions that have long dominated the risk
asset landscape begin to subside.
To assess the potential impact of higher interest rates on U.S.
stock prospects, I posed
a series of questions to my Equity Group colleagues, who share their insights.
In the event long-term interest rates continue to move higher, how does
that change the outlook for equities?
Craig Blum: In an environment of low inflation, we would welcome any trend higher
in long rates. We believe that during periods of low and/or falling inflation long-term
bond yields tend to be pro-cyclical. That is, higher yields typically coincide with firming
economic prospects and a stronger cyclical upturn in consumer and business spending
activity.
Given that equity prices tend to track corporate profits, we would expect higher
long rates to track higher stock prices. Indeed, we’ve seen just such a pattern over the
past year. Lower bond yields have generally occurred alongside higher market volatility,
rising macro/geopolitical risks, falling inflation expectations, and less certainty around
global growth.
Again, these are market signals telling you that higher long rates are pro-cyclical and are
confirming stronger economic prospects.
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The primary focus of our research effort is around addressable
market, long-term share structure, sustainable business model
advantage, and valuation. Having said that, we do analyze and
model interest rate scenarios for those companies that might
experience modest near-term fundamental pressure and/or
a shift in sentiment resulting from higher bond yields.
Diane Jaffee: I agree. If long-term interest rates are moving
higher because the U.S. economy is growing, then the outlook
for equities is quite positive.
Looking back over decades, when
the Fed does raise rates due to a strengthening economy, U.S.
equities tend to move higher following Fed Fund hikes.
John Snider: Just to add a bit of color to Diane’s point, the
historical record shows that how the Fed proceeds with rate
hikes is important to the outcome for equities. Since the end of
QE3, the Fed has been preparing markets for the first rate hike
since 2006. There is strong historical precedent that the outlook
for equities depends on whether the Fed is raising rates quickly
or slowly.
Janet Yellen has emphasized that once the rate hikes
begin, they should be done slowly. Such a measured pace would
stand in stark contrast to the 2004-2006 cycle in which the Fed
raised rates in 17 consecutive meetings.
John Snider: As part of our investment process, we run best,
base, and worst case scenarios when modeling the financials
of prospective holdings. Although the evidence would support
a soft landing if the Fed tightens slowly and interest rates
increase at a measured pace, we also must be mindful that rates
might rise more quickly than anticipated and have a negative
impact on the economy.
At this point in the cycle our worst
case scenario must take into consideration a more dramatic
economic slowdown than what would generally be a worst case
scenario when we aren’t on the precipice of a rate hike. We
must be mindful that at times recessions have followed the Fed
raising rates, and even though they have telegraphed a slow
gradual increase, we must be prepared for a more dramatic
slowdown. We generally spend more time on the worst case
scenario than on either the base or best case because it is very
important to understand what the downside is.
Preserving value
and protecting on the downside is vitally important.
Of 12 tightening cycles since WWII, five have been of the slow
variety. In the other seven, the Fed raised rates quickly. On
average, the S&P 500 performed much better during the first
year of the slow cycles than during the fast ones.
Given that
the Fed has promised to be very measured and methodical in
their quest this time around and given that we are starting from
such a low base, I am not as troubled by interest rates rising
this time as I would be if the Fed were ultra-hawkish and rates
weren’t so low.
Chang Lee: Since we look for fast-growing and fully-funded
businesses, most of our portfolio companies have unlevered
balance sheets and tend to have sizable cash holdings. The
increasing cost of debt rarely impacts our companies’ ongoing
financial and business decisions. Moreover, most of our
companies may benefit from higher rates by earning higher
interest income on their cash balances.
Given that we place a heavy emphasis on proprietary
bottom-up research in equities investing, how do you
take into account the anticipated rise in rates when
you analyze a specific company?
Iman Brivanlou: This is a concern in our group given our focus
on high dividend stocks, which is an investment universe
containing a lot of “bond proxies.” Our methodology is to
search for the best risk-adjusted valuations.
To the extent
a company’s business is fundamentally adversely affected
by interest rate increases (e.g., mortgage REITs, which are
essentially levered MBS funds), or the company’s balance sheet
is exposed or vulnerable, we account for the impact of potential
rate movements in assessing the risks associated with that
company. Also, it’s worth noting that some companies such
as banks and business development corporations can actually
fundamentally benefit from rising overnight rates.
Many investors view equity valuations as stretched at
this point in the cycle. Are you concerned that rising
rates may send multiples lower?
Tom McKissick: There’s a lot of evidence to suggest that
valuations are above the mean, but they are not excessive
across the board.
Margins at companies are at all-time highs,
which is unsustainable. But they aren’t as unsustainable as
they have been in the past. If rates rise but continue to stay
low for a long time, the cost of capital will remain low relative
to historical periods, so profitability of companies should be
enhanced by that.
Also, productivity measures continue to
improve and competitive variables for U.S. companies are
continuing to get better. But given where valuations are in
general, it’s important to proceed with caution and look at
companies on an individual basis.
Craig Blum: As growth investors with a strong bias toward quality,
we don’t have a large exposure to businesses that are interest
rate sensitive.
Our portfolio companies tend to be self-funded
with strong and growing operating cash flow and little or no debt.
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Iman Brivanlou: I would agree that some caution is warranted.
It is certainly plausible that as rates rise, equity multiples overall
would contract. Broad-market valuation metrics are at nearterm highs. The massive QE efforts of global central banks –
which have had only modest success in stimulating economic
growth – have caused risk-asset pricing to inflate beyond what
we believe is warranted by underlying fundamentals. Still,
while we see evidence of stretched stock valuations, the pricing
distortion in the bond market appears even more pronounced.
From a relative standpoint, stocks appear cheap compared
to bonds.
If interest rates were to normalize, I would expect
increased volatility in equity markets. Sectors and stocks that
have risen exclusively due to cheap liquidity would become
exposed, while those with real pricing power or improving
fundamentals would continue to thrive.
Generally, consumer discretionary, financials, and technology
companies have lower-than-historical payout ratios, both in
terms of earnings and free cash flow. We are also currently
overweight industrial companies with company-specific
catalysts.
Sectors that generally have higher payout ratios
may suffer under a rising interest rate scenario. They include:
consumer staples, utilities, and telecom stocks, although there
are individual companies within those sectors that are attractive
from a fundamental perspective.
Iman Brivanlou: Of course, forecasting the near-term
performance of industries is largely attempting to predict nearterm shifts in investor sentiment – a difficult task. That said,
we are seeing valuations close to historical peaks in parts
of consumer staples and industrials, so we tread carefully
in those areas.
From a fundamental standpoint, banks and
business development companies would be expected to benefit
from a series of small rate increases, and we currently hold a
favorable view of both industries. To the extent that the series
of small rate increases are coupled with sustained economic
growth, housing-related sectors and parts of the energy space
could prove attractive as well. Mortgage REITs and utilities
would likely underperform, although we have already seen
substantial weakness in those areas with the market embedding
an increased probability for that scenario.
Craig Blum: We have some concern around aggregate market
valuation over the near-term in light of seven years of economic
expansion, near-record profit margins and multiples that have
risen from 11.0x in 2008 to 17.5x today.
Over the short-term
we expect higher volatility as global capital markets continue to
process a variety of economic shifts and policy developments.
Elevated levels of sovereign debt together with the collapse in
commodity prices are resulting in a renewed deflationary wave
across emerging markets. A number of market-based indicators
suggest economic headwinds just as the Fed deliberates
tightening monetary policy. However, there is a fundamental
problem with equating Fed tightening as responsible for
lower valuations.
The real culprit historically has been higher
commodity inflation. The Fed typically tightens in order to
fend off rising inflation, which is the more toxic development
that trips up the business cycle. In that context, then, the
current status of oil prices, inflation and the U.S.
dollar bear
little resemblance to that of prior tightening periods. In fact,
investors have never before seen a Fed tightening cycle in the
face of a material decline in oil prices and downward pressure
on headline CPI, two conditions that exist today. The Fed’s
hyper-awareness of the lopsided risks to a premature tightening
make us confident that a major policy mistake is avoidable in
the current period’s perfectly wrong setup for a rate hike.
Chang Lee: As always, companies with pricing power and
sustainable competitive advantages tend to outperform the
market in the long run.
Currently, we expect the technology,
healthcare and consumer sectors to outperform sectors with
excess capacity, mainly industrials and energy. In particular,
we are positive on consumer stocks given healthy retail sales,
upbeat consumer sentiment, and improving employment
data. Cheap energy prices, steady job growth, higher personal
income, and easier lending all set the stage for Americans to
buy more in the upcoming months, especially in discretionary
areas such as dining out, travel, housing, and home
improvement.
Historically, consumer discretionary stocks, as
well as small- and mid-cap stocks, have been clear winners in
periods of U.S. dollar strength.
How far rates ultimately rise hinges in large part
on whether the economy continues to strengthen.
What kind of results are you seeing at the individual
company level? How strong is the recovery?
In the event of a series of small rate increases over
the next several quarters, which industries should we
expect to outperform, and which should we expect to
underperform?
Tom McKissick: This has been a very weak recovery when you
compare it to previous recoveries. Typically the sharper the
Diane Jaffee: In that event, we would expect lower dividend
payers or companies that have self-help catalysts to outperform.
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prices, and vice versa. If we think the dollar is going to weaken,
we’d expect that commodities would strengthen. The commodity
decline started to occur as the dollar started to strengthen. So
it’s important to watch that connection as we consider both
strong dollar today and possibly a weaker dollar in the future.
recession the bigger the rebound, and we have been plodding
along with moderate growth following a particularly severe
recession.
We are seeing positive growth and an improving
employment picture. And certainly there are companies and
industries that are doing better than others. But this is an
unusual recovery in that M&A activity is currently above average
for this point in the cycle, while growth in capital expenditure is
well below what you’d normally see in a recovery.
The relatively
low level of capital expenditures is one reason corporate margins
are so high. Companies aren’t making big capital expenditures
because of a general lack of confidence in the economic picture
and the slowness of the recovery.
John Snider: I think there are two questions to answer here.
How does the strong dollar impact the economy and how does
the strong dollar impact the stock market and our portfolio?
The rise in the dollar index is definitely good for the consumer,
which is two-thirds of GDP. It is good for companies importing
raw materials and intermediate goods because it allows them
to buy foreign goods and services (like traveling as an example)
cheaper.
And, as Tom noted, it also helps to put downward
pressure on commodities like oil as they are denominated
in U.S. dollars. A strong dollar, on the other hand, may be
detrimental for exporters or multinational companies who
derive significant revenues in non-dollar currencies.
It does
depend on whether there is a gradual appreciation in the dollar
or an abrupt change in the exchange rate. The former usually
reflects the strength in the economy and allows for companies
to plan for a strengthening dollar so the impact will be
mitigated and in some cases it is positive. However a sudden
rise in the dollar for those companies that are impacted by this
change can be quite harmful to revenues and profits because
these companies cannot change their cost structure quickly
enough to compensate.
A stronger dollar has hurt American
exporters and in some cases dampened their investment plans
for the upcoming year.
Chang Lee: Agreed. Since 2009, the overall domestic economic
recovery has been gradual and disappointing. However, we
expect it to continue, and are hoping for acceleration.
We also
expect the current upward trajectory in the economy to last
longer than in previous cycles because of the significant slack
in the global economy. At the individual company level, we
continue to be selective regarding the companies included in
our small- and mid-cap growth portfolios. As such, we have
seen approximately 20% growth in 2015 and estimated growth
of around 18%+ for 2016.
The strong U.S.
dollar has been a concern among
equity investors. How is a rising dollar impacting
your analysis of portfolio holdings?
Diane Jaffee: The rising dollar is impacting multinational
portfolio holdings generally within a range of 10 to 15%. When
asked if they would prefer a higher or lower Euro or Yen, U.S.
companies generally respond that if quantitative easing is
enabling these economies to stimulate their GDPs, they would
rather take a 10-15% translation hit on an order than not have
the order be placed.
The China Renminbi defense is more
troubling if it means there is a lack of control.
Craig Blum: Beginning earlier this year, we began analyzing in
detail each company’s revenue and profit exposure to non-U.S.
markets. We also performed a best efforts analysis around
how each company thinks about and hedges its non-U.S.
exposure. Our conclusion is that while the significant strength
in the U.S.
dollar is certainly constraining reported top-line
growth, we have all the necessary tools to properly evaluate true
organic growth and earnings power underneath the accounting
headache. Fortunately, the equity market has also generally
looked through most of the dollar-related hit to growth and
has more often than not properly responded to fundamental
strength that exceeds “currency neutral” expectations.
Tom McKissick: We are stress testing our portfolio for different
dollar environments to ensure that we are properly positioned.
One interesting thing to both note and consider as we look at
our holdings is the commodity linkage with the dollar. There is a
strong correlation between a strong dollar and weak commodity
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