Profiles in Client Engagement
Profiles in Client Engagement
Winter 2013
Engaging Wives: How to Drive Greater
Growth with Married Clients
Many of us define marriage by five simple words: till death
do us part. The words aim to symbolize the beauty of a
perfect union while living, yet there’s an important and sad
fact to consider: Women, on average, live six years longer
than men, according to the World Health Organization.1 As a
result, women are far more likely to lose a spouse than men
are — ​ crucial fact you need to consider when working with
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married clients. What’s more, Fidelity Investments research
reveals that 48% of couples who reported using a financial
advisor interact jointly with their provider. Three in 10 couples
agree that one partner takes a primary role with investment
decisions for their retirement savings.2
“To work most responsibly with married clients, it’s imperative
that advisors involve both spouses in all planning,” says
Jylanne Dunne, senior vice president, Fidelity Investments.
“Doing so will give both partners the skills and ability to
manage financially after the loss of a spouse — ​
and will
extend your client relationship.
The reality is this: someday,
your married clients will likely become a single client — ​
the wife.”
World Health Statistics 2014”, World Health Organization, 15 May 2014.
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Fidelity Investments 2015 Couples Retirement Study, among 1,051 couples.
Manisha Thakor and Sharon Kedar, On My Own Two Feet, Adams Media, 2007.
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Creating a client lifeline for
the future
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Finding a voice through Honest
Conversations®
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Focusing on planning to
build engagement
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Actions to consider
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Eighty percent of men die married, while
80% of women die single.3
. To help you build a stronger and longer
business from married clients, ask
yourself four questions:
• What percentage of your clients
are married?
• How often are both spouses fully
engaged in the client relationship?
• Is your relationship with the wives you
work with strong enough to maintain
the relationship beyond the passing
of their spouse?
• Are you willing to take proactive
steps to engage wives — ​
and
strengthen your business?
The good news for you is that you
have a strong ally in your pursuit of
engaging the wives of married clients.
Conversations with more than 20
financial advisors reveal that husbands
are asking advisors for guidance in
involving their wives more in financial
planning.4 Yet, while many husbands
feel the need to prepare their wives for
a life transition, some wives are hesitant
to become more involved because they
don’t want to address the reality of the
loss of their spouse or they don’t feel a
rapport with the advisor. That’s where
the responsible work of an advisor
can provide the necessary tools for
prolonged financial health.
In this paper, three of your peers
in the advisor field share their best
practices for engaging married female
clients. Our goal is to share proactive
steps you may want to consider to
help you broaden and deepen your
relationships with married clients
today — ​
and extend and grow the
relationships longer.
Firms in focus:
Fish and Associates
Relyea Zuckerberg Hanson, LLC
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Memphis, Tenn.
Newport Beach, Calif.
Stamford, Conn.
Leadership
Kathy Fish, Founder and
President
Sandy White, Managing Director, United
Capital Financial Advisers LLC
Dana Hanson, Founding Principal
and Chief Planning Strategist
Assets under Management (June 30, 2015)
$100 million
$15 billion
$680 million
Typical Clients
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United Capital Financial Advisers, LLC
High-net-worth families; single
women: widowed, divorced,
and lesbian
Mass-affluent and high-net-worth
families; average client size of $500,000
High-net-worth and ultra-high-networth families; average client size
of $7 million
Research conducted during the period of July 16, 2012, to September 28, 2012, by Excella, Inc., an independent third-party marketing firm, on
behalf of Fidelity Investments, with 20 participating firms.
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. Creating a client lifeline
for the future
“ he loss of spouse is an emotionally
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raw time and not a good one to
make any financial decisions. If
we can help clients plan and stay
organized well in advance, then we
are really helping them.”
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— athy Fish, President,
Fish and Associates
Memphis, Tenn.–based advisor
Kathy Fish5 sets an important ground
rule when accepting new clients:
she and her firm do not accept
couples as clients unless the wife
agrees to participate in the entire
advisory relationship.
“Firms that excel in working with
couples start with this baseline,” says
Fish, based on her experience. But
that’s only step one. Getting initial
agreement that both spouses will be
involved does not necessarily mean
they will both stay involved.
According
to Fish’s experience, once the initial
planning meeting is complete, many
married women clients simply do
not come to subsequent meetings.
“To keep wives engaged, we’ve had
to find creative ways to stay in touch
with them and keep the conversations
going,” notes Fish.
Her approach: provide non-meeting
environments to stay in touch. According
to the Center for Talent Innovation,
advisors who are efficient in this way
are 69% more likely to establish a
satisfactory and enduring relationship.6
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Kathy Fish hosts women-only
workshops — ​
many on investment topics
and planning — ​
and makes impromptu
calls to married women clients, along
with periodically inviting them to lunch
or coffee. In order for advisors to be
successful while working with female
investors, it is important to be sensitive
to a woman’s time constraints.
Kathy
Fish also hosts events for families, which
in the past have included baseball
games and organizing 5K teams for
events such as Race for the Cure®.
“In all these situations, I ask the wives
not only how they are doing, but what
concerns or questions they may have.
It’s a nonthreatening way for them to
open up and keep the connection,”
explains Fish.
Fish’s biggest success in engaging
her married women clients, however,
comes through the use of an oldschool tactic that provides a lifeline for
her clients: the “big black binder.”
Many couples face a dilemma: few
have all their affairs organized in one
location that is easy to access at any
time. That’s where the big black binder
comes in. Kathy and her team help
clients organize and maintain their
affairs in one single binder well in
advance of either spouse’s needing
to track down important information.
Women are looking for their advisor to
be their quarterback, to look at their
entire financial picture, not just the
investments.
By using the big black
binder approach, advisors can help
reassure women that they are
interested in the whole picture of their
finances.7 While some clients prefer an
electronic version, Fish says many
actually
prefer the physical binder. The binder
contains information such as:
• Lists of all accounts and the
latest statements
• Trust and estate documents
• Key contact information for all tax,
legal, and financial providers
• Latest tax returns
• The client’s financial plan, including
an income plan, if appropriate
“The beauty of the binder,” says Fish,
“is that it serves as a launching point to
meet jointly with couples at least once a
year to review and update it.”
In fact, Fish often suggests that clients
review the binder with their tax advisor
to ensure that they are maintaining
adequate financial records and know
which ones they can discard.
To create the binder, a Certified
Financial Planner® professional on
the team begins the process of
gathering and organizing the most
important documents and information
after the very first planning meeting
with clients. Beginning the work
immediately acclimates the clients
to the relationship’s ongoing rallying
point and provides initial peace of mind
to clients.
“Our approach to organizing clients,”
says Fish, “provides concerned
husbands with comfort that
we are ready to be there for their wives
in the future, and, most importantly,
that we have their best interests
in mind.”
Kathy Fish offers securities through NFP Securities, Inc., Member FINRA/SIPC.
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Center for Talent Innovation, “Harnessing the Power of the Purse: Female Investors and Global Opportunities for Growth,” May 1, 2014.
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Maddy Perkins, “Biggest Single Myth About Female Clients,” Financial Planning magazine, March 14, 2015.
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Finding a voice through
Honest Conversations®
“ hile there’s a generational
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difference in the level of a wife’s
engagement in family finances,
the need for open and honest
communications about money
among couples is universal.”
— andy White, Managing
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Director, United Capital Financial
Advisers LLC
Based on her experience, Sandy White,
an advisor in United Capital’s
Houston office, believes that a key
to a great relationship with married
clients boils down to a trait that
is also commonly associated with
successful marriages — ​open and
ongoing dialogue.
“Creating that successful dialogue,
however, requires an added focus on
the wife,” says White. “Because wives
are often less engaged in financial
planning, they often do not have a
great comfort level and confidence in
discussing their fears and goals.”
Women’s confidence, or lack thereof,
in their financial intelligence is a large
factor in how much risk they are willing
to assume.6 In order to help women
express their needs and fears freely,
White utilizes a unique in-house
program, Honest Conversations®, with
her clients every 12 to 24 months.
In this thought-provoking exercise,
husbands and wives independently
prioritize a set of color-coded cards
that include preprinted statements
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based on fears, commitments, and
happiness. Once their respective
selections are made, White has clients
jointly discuss their reasons and
feelings about their selections.
Through this exercise, White’s clients
frequently open up and share thoughts
on important questions such as: “What
do I want in retirement?” and “Will we
have enough money to live the lifestyle
we want for the rest of our lives?”
Based on having these discussions
with numerous clients, White says:
“Ultimately, the ability to express
fears and needs freely helps the wives
become more engaged in family
finances than they currently are — ​
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egardless of age. What’s more, clients
have told me that this exercise helps
to strengthen the actual relationship of
the couple.”
In White’s experience, it’s important
to begin such conversations with the
wife’s thoughts first, so that she’s not
swayed by her husband’s responses.
For advisors, this may mean acting as
a referee to ensure that husbands give
their wives the leeway to freely and
completely express themselves before
weighing in.
“Oftentimes, husbands realize that
they didn’t truly understand what
their wives were afraid of,” says White.
“This breakthrough can have a very
powerful and binding effect with the
client relationship.”
What’s more, through Honest
Conversations®, White often discovers
issues affecting longstanding clients that
she never knew about.
“This process
is how I frequently hear about whether
there’s an adult child or aging parent
whom my client may need to financially
support for an extended period of
time,” she says.
Through such discovery, White is able
to help clients identify the level of
financial support they may need to
provide and what these responsibilities
may mean for their financial future.
By getting at a couple’s true hopes
and fears — ​
and their agreed-upon
joint priorities — ​
White is then better
prepared to determine the amount
of risk clients need to assume in their
portfolio and the amount of money they
need to achieve their goals. “In the end,
opening up the dialogue gives women
a voice — ​
and that’s tremendously
empowering for them,” says White. “I
see an increased level of engagement
across all generations of wives I work
with, and that’s very gratifying.
This
also allows me to more effectively plan
for the full life span of both spouses.”
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to build engagement
“ e work with many couples in
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their 60s and find that husbands
are often very concerned about
the well-being of their wife if they
die first. The fact that our firm
consists of two male partners and
one woman partner helps those
husbands know that there’s a
woman on the team whom the wife
can talk to.”
— ana Hanson, Founding Principal
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and Chief Planning Strategist,
Relyea Zuckerberg Hanson, LLC
Dana Hanson, of Stamford-based
Relyea Zuckerberg Hanson, had
seen the impact of wives’ lack of
engagement often enough in her client
base of more traditional couples. “As
our firm served more and more women
going through a life transition,” she
says, “we realized how beneficial it
would have been if they had been
actively involved in their finances prior
to the loss of their spouse or a divorce,
when emotions are fragile and decision
making is difficult, at best.”
As a first step in building the financial
readiness of wives, Hanson’s firm
adopted the same founding principle
as Fish and Associates: No couples as
clients unless both spouses were fully
engaged with the advisor.
Hanson understood, however, that
husbands and wives often have
different triggers and different
requirements for engagement.
“From my experience, men typically
like to talk about the details of their
investment performance, while women
are generally more interested in
planning,” she says.
Recognizing this, Hanson discovered
that one of the best planning
opportunities to engage the wife
occurs at preretirement, a crucial
life marker that paves the way for
financial planning conversations.
These discussions can often focus on
a potentially new lifestyle, children,
grandchildren, and philanthropy.
“Retirement is obviously a huge
transition,” says Hanson, particularly
in a traditional couple where the
husband has been the primary
breadwinner. “Men run the risk of
losing their identity, self-esteem,
and — ultimately — their health if they
don’t have a plan for their new free
time.
Women face just as big a move.
Suddenly, their spouse is home and
routines may change. All of a sudden,
couples realize that it’s time to think
strategically about how they plan to
live the remainder of their lives.”
She asks the wives, or stay-at-home
spouses, equally pointed questions,
such as: “What’s your vision of your
life now that you are both home? How
are you going to fill your day with your
husband? What are your fears about
having him home?”
These lifestyle questions naturally
lead to important conversations about
the time and money clients plan to
dedicate now and in the future to
their life together — ​ well as plans
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for their children, grandchildren, and
philanthropy. She often asks direct
questions, which may include: “Have
you discussed with your husband the
amount of time you plan to spend
jointly with your grandchildren?
Are there ways you wish to provide
additional support, whether through
volunteering or monetarily, for charities
that are important to you?”
“This exercise is one of the most
effective ways to engage married
women clients because we are planning
for factors that impact them and their
children directly,” says Hanson.
“The
conversations provide the wife with a
path to develop the confidence she
may never really have had about taking
charge of her future.”
Hanson shares that her approach
includes a mix of coaching and
guidance that is never devoid of
tough questions. “We use this
preretiree time to push the men
on what they’re going to do with
themselves,” says Hanson. “I ask them:
How much golf can you play before
you’re bored? How much time do
you plan to spend with your children
and grandchildren?”
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Actions to consider
We hope you’ve been inspired by
the real-life examples of firms that
take proactive measures to deepen
relationships among their married
clients. Consider the following
strategies employed by our profiled
advisors to help you drive asset
retention and growth through higher
levels of client engagement:
• Set the tone of shared openness
by implementing a new-client
policy for participation. Based on
the success of all three profiled
advisors, consider starting with a
new-client policy that requires both
spouses to be active in the planning
process. This will set the tone for your
expectations, as well as underscore
the need for shared planning by
the clients.
Consider formalizing
such a policy by including a page
in your pitch book that describes
the types of communications clients
should expect from you (e.g., client
meetings, quarterly reports) and
describe your expectations for the
level of engagement by married
clients. Take a few minutes in your
initial client meeting to further
explain why you have this policy and
the benefit to your clients. This extra
step can demonstrate that you care
about your clients’ best interests.
• Help wives find their voice by asking
questions during the planning
process that let them share their
feelings.
While Sandy Smith and
Dana Hanson each have unique
strategies to engage married women
clients in the planning process, they
share important tactics to consider
in your approach:
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– Begin by asking married women
clients open-ended and emotionally
based questions. Whether your
questions are about hopes, fears,
dreams, or wishes for their children
or grandchildren, consider directing
these questions to the wife first
so that she’s not biased by her
husband’s responses.
– hen, ask the husband these
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same questions. You can use this
opportunity not only to act as
coach to help the couple find a
common ground, but also to develop
a financial plan and investment
strategy that’s truly customized to
their needs.
• Prepare clients for a pending life
transition by proactively helping
them to organize their financial
affairs.
As Kathy Fish demonstrates,
the “big black binder” she and
her team provide for clients gives
husbands the peace of mind that
their wives will be in good hands in
the future — ​
and provides a lifeline
for the surviving spouse when
emotions are high. Consider helping
your clients organize life’s most
important documents. If you’re not
ready to embark on an extensive
effort to offer this service, consider
providing your clients with a checklist
of key documents, information,
and essential contacts they should
organize in a central location that a
family member can easily access in
time of need.
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